Music Videos


Dibb-s
3 months ago
So I think I've now submitted my entire DVD collection, other than the dozens I've lent to people which i'll probably never see again.
The only thing I have left to submit would be music videos.
A few DVD releases, but mostly it would be bonus DVD's from CD albums, and also enhanced CD's with videos.

How should a music video, as a film, be submitted? I kinda figured it should have the song title as the film title, and the band/artist credited as maybe soundtrack or composer. And I also thought music video should probably be an option under 'genre' eventually. Assuming people can be bothered submitting music videos.

How should DVD's that come with music albums, or enhanced CD's, be submitted? I mean, should the title be the album title? or "bonus disc"? What should the format be?

Is there any examples yet? I seem to remember EK uploading a CD album as a release, and I remember being against it, but I spose I've come around.
Dibb-s
3 months ago
I found the CD/DVD EK submitted, I still have the same Question about the title.
https://www.filmo.gs/release/48961-The-Strokes-Is-This-It

and I found this discussion about music videos:
https://www.filmo.gs/forum/53229-Music-Videos
It didn't get very far, has anyone submitted a music video yet?
remco2502
3 months ago
I'm not that far to start with the Music DVD / Blu-rays yet, but I saw the release of Celine Dion - All that way... A decade of song video.
https://www.filmo.gs/film/167445-Celine-Dion-All-The-Way-A-Decade-Of-Song-Video

There was a release, so I made the "film" to combine with
Dibb-s
3 months ago
But it isn't a film, it's a compilation of films

I added a release of Sub Pop music videos and the videos as films https://www.filmo.gs/release/169995-Acquired-Taste

For the title I've put Artist: Song Title, which is how IMDb do it. Although in the case of music videos which have a different title to the song I suppose that should be used.

I've added the artist name as a credit
and I've added Music Video as sub-genre

Maybe there's a better way to do it, this just seemed most sensible to me
mirva
3 months ago
Maybe there's a better way to do it, this just seemed most sensible to me
I think we probably need a "Music" genre, it looks a bit funny to have just a sub-genre. Other than that, I think what you've done looks good.
remco2502
3 months ago
So if I'm understand correctly, each videoclip needs to be a film. I have a lot of compilation DVD's with videoclips. When a compilation DVD got 20 vdeoclips, there are also 20 films. I think the database will be a mess with all those videoclips in between.
mirva
3 months ago
What do you mean by "videoclip"? Aren't those full music videos?
remco2502
3 months ago
I mean a videoclip from a song (about 4 minutes long)
Dibb-s
3 months ago
There are film compilations with 20 films
https://www.filmo.gs/release/61551-Alfred-Hitchcock-A-Legacy-of-Suspense

even 50 films
https://www.filmo.gs/release/139043-50-Horror-Classics

and each film in these compilations should have it's own entry, and so doesn't need to have a film entry for the compilation

I can't think of good reason why that shouldn't also apply to short film compilations
https://www.filmo.gs/film/145993-Pixar-Short-Films-Volume-1

or music videoclip compilations
https://www.filmo.gs/film/167445-Celine-Dion-All-The-Way-A-Decade-Of-Song-Video

It's only different for TV shows so that we can have a 'series' page, but that isn't needed for music videoclips or short films

If you're adding a whole bunch of videoclips at once, try the "add one like this" feature, it will make it much quicker
sound.and.vision
3 months ago
I think this is great to do, as I had bought it up previously.

However I'm unsure about Enhanced CD releases like this:
https://www.filmo.gs/release/170632-Let-Me-Blow-Ya-Mind-Featuring-Gwen-Stefani

Enhanced CD do often contain music videos (albeit in terrible quality!) however they are usually digital file formats such as .MOV, .WMV or even the dreaded .SWF! These items cannot usually be read by any DVD, Blu-Ray, games console, Video CD, LaserDisc etc. player.

Are we sure we want to be adding these to the database? If we do then we have to in turn accept people adding digital only copies of films, which in the past we have decided to de-prioritize to the point of prohibition to stop pollution of the database.
Dibb-s
3 months ago
I wasn't sure about the enhanced CD's myself, so I only added the one, while adding some other examples of music video releases.

but in defence of it, I see an important difference between a digital video file on a physical release and just a digital video file as a YouTube clip or ITunes download.

I haven't added it yet although I was considering it
https://www.discogs.com/Dave-Seaman-Global-Underground-022-Melbourne/release/40000
a CD-ROM short film that came with a CD. I haven't seen anyone add CD-ROM yet. I suppose it's similar to the enhanced CD category and maybe not something people want on filmogs.
sound.and.vision
3 months ago
Hmm I guess it is. I'm not sure, how do PC Video Games fare then? I know from personal experience that many PC Video Games will have various cut-scenes, trailers etc. available on the CD-ROM as .MOV, .AVI or other video formats (such as Bink).

Definitely worth a discussion I think :)
oteis
3 months ago
Quote Mirva: "I think we probably need a "Music" genre, it looks a bit funny to have just a sub-genre. Other than that, I think what you've done looks good."

I've suggested this a couple of weeks ago. There's quite some music in the database already. Some concert films are added as "musical". I've added them as documentary with the subgenre "Music", because i don't know which other is suitable. Maybe subgenres could be Concert, Musicvideo,

Quote Mirva: "What do you mean by "videoclip"? Aren't those full music videos?"
In the Netherlands we use the word videoclip for a musicvideo... so with videoclip Remco meant Musicvideo.

I'm not sure if we should add enhanced cd's at this point to the database. I agree with sound.and.vision on this point. I think for know we have to focus on the main content of the media. If it's an enhanced cd, i think discogs is the right place for it. So for now i would say please wait till the database is more suitable for these kind of media.
mirva
3 months ago
In the Netherlands we use the word videoclip for a musicvideo... so with videoclip Remco meant Musicvideo.
Ok, that explains it... I was really confused. Thank you. :)

I'm not sure if we should add enhanced cd's at this point to the database.
I'm not sure either. I mean if someone wants to add them, I don't necessarily see the harm, but surely people still have releases with video as the main content to submit.

we have to in turn accept people adding digital only copies of films, which in the past we have decided to de-prioritize to the point of prohibition to stop pollution of the database.
I've never understood the dislike towards having digital-only items in the databases, whether we're talking about music, books or films. For example a lot of independent films nowadays don't even get a physical release, but do get a digital release. I don't see a reason why they should be excluded from the database.
oteis
3 months ago
@Mirva how do you do the quote thing again?
mirva
3 months ago
Just put ">" (without the quotation marks) in front of the text you want to quote. Since the system doesn't like paragraphs, you might want to keep the quote as short as possible.
EK_
3 months ago
I've asked about the video game disc with legit bonus movie (contained on disc, not as part of the game itself) a long time ago.

I can't remember the exact game off the top of my head, but there is an XBOX Kinects DBZ game with an exclusive bonus anime episode on the game disc.

ALSO:
There are a bunch of other game releases that contain bonus Blu-ray or DVD discs with video content. Should the ENTIRE release be cataloged, as it was the only way to get the bonus discs?
sound.and.vision
3 months ago
Following on from EK's post, here is my "odd" submission of a video-game with DVD Video content as an example of how it can work:

https://www.filmo.gs/release/40978-The-Elder-Scrolls-IV-Oblivion-5th-Anniversay-Edition

Emphasis on DVD Video, this means the disc can be put into a DVD player and play back as normal. I'm still not 100% on adding non-film items that simply contain digital video such as Enhanced CD's and various other things.
EK_
3 months ago
I have no problems with above.
EK_
3 months ago
Clarification: No problems with S&V's "Elder Scrolls" entry.

Also not 100% on adding enhanced CDs.

Digital Only video - no. Including any and all digital video files is like opening a can of worms. This site has basic issues that still need hammered out before tackling that one.
remco2502
3 months ago
I don't think enhanced CD's belong here. Discogs is the place for that kind of releases.
Dibb-s
3 months ago
So it seems the consensus is, films that come with a CD or a Videogame have the green light, so long as they are on a separate disc to the CD or Videogame?

I'm happy to go along with this but I gotta admit, I find this an odd place to draw the line.

So for this release with 2 records and a USB https://www.discogs.com/Portishead-Third/release/1317783 , it shouldn't be added because the USB contains both audio AND video? however if it only contained video it's fine? or should we not add a USB release?

And with this, a hybrid disc where one side is CD audio and the other is DVD video https://www.discogs.com/Various-One-Big-Trip/master/51082 it shouldn't be added purely because they are attached to each other? yet if they were on separate discs then I could add it? but if the DVD side contained both audio and video it shouldn't be added? and if were to accept the hybrid disc US version, we wouldn't accept the Australian enhanced CD version with the same content, just because of the format?

I think it would be best to accept all films, all physical formats or else we have to make all these arbitrary distinctions.
sound.and.vision
3 months ago
I think we should take caution when adding the unusual media formats.

Dibb-s I think that Portishead release is 100% suitable for the database, as it is an official release. We have to appreciate that plenty of artists (definitely those who are independent) like to flex their creative arms now and then and put video content out on whatever media they like!

Hybrid discs/double-sided discs (such as CD Video [not video CD!]) I would also say are good for the database because they have content that can be played back in a traditional video player (such as DVD, Blu-Ray or Laserdisc).

A big worry for a lot of us here is that we want to focus on getting a good database of the traditional formats, before venturing into the obscure, rare and down-right odd.
EK_
3 months ago
This will never be solved.

Most users don't give a shit about this sort of thing and will continue to add lame entries with the most generic and useless data.