I was seeing in the credits of a film a "Matt Smith" who is this person on imdb...

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0809285/

Filmogs already has a Matt Smith who is well known for his many roles in Doctor Who and is a different actor who's imdb page is here.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1741002/

When creating a film, I said "Create Matt Smith" instead of selecting the "match" which I hoped would create a newer Matt Smith, but it still grabbed the other Matt Smith instead. It seems like it should create a newer Matt Smith entity. I noticed that in imdb on the second Matt Smith there is an "(XI)" next to his name, and in the first there is a "(I)" next to that name. Don't know if that is a way that IMDB helps separate these two different "Matt Smith"'s.

It seems that if the system can't automatically create two different Matt Smith persons, then there should be a convention that we used to create multiple people entries with the same name. Anyone else have this problem?

like on Discogs you can create a new entry as: Matt Smith (2).

example already in filmogs:
https://www.filmo.gs/credit/19808-steve-mcqueen
https://www.filmo.gs/credit/60666-steve-mcqueen-2

If that would be what Filmogs wants as a convention, that would be fine. What would be a good behavior is if when you are given a "choice" of selecting the existing "Matt Smith" or creating a new one, a popup warning message if selecting "create a new one" telling the user that doing this would not really create a new one, but use existing match instead, and that in order to create a new one, recommend the user rename the name entry to "Matt Smith (2)", and if that one exists already after renaming it, then user would be coaxed to create a "Matt Smith (3)" for a third Matt Smith. If this becomes established convention, then perhaps the initial choice would show the two or three "matches" of the three options of "Matt Smith", "Matt Smith (2)", "Matt Smith (3)", that would hopefully help use this convention to enforce proper attribution of these two or three different "Matt Smith"'s. The current system would not really help create accurate definition of multiple "Matt Smith"'s, unless the user knows what they are doing.

Fixed it no need to panic.

Both matt smiths will pop up whrn you type matt smith in

In my experience this is true of all duplicate entries - i.e. that the 'create new entry' defaults to the orginal instead of creating a new one. This means that one has to add something else to the entry like a number, which one can then remove later - if its a film title and leaving bracketed numbers isn't necessary.

I tested working with this by adding cast attributes to the existing entry Filmogs "My Last Girlfriends" film, since I saw that this cast has a different "Michael Douglas" in it besides the more well known one. Not only did this film's cast list need a duplicate entry for it's Michael Douglas, but also for Mark Benton too, which doesn't appear to be the same "Mark Benton" that is already in the db for "Torvill & Dean". IMDB doesn't have Mark Benton in this film even though Wikipedia does, so perhaps this is a side effect of a more general problem of sorting out duplicate actor names in other cases as well and not just on filmogs.

When initially creating the update here, I just said "Create Michael Douglas" (and Michael Benton) to see if it would implicitly see an existing entry and add one that would be "Michael Douglas (2)" instead, or for that matter "Michael Douglas (3)", if both initial and "Michael Douglas (2)" entries already existed. That didn't work, but going back through and saying "Create Michael Douglas (2)" worked, so for now this would be a good convention to work with, but a good interface change would make have it be able to spot that another "Michael Douglas" exists when user says "Create Michael Douglas" so that the convention would be established as part of the interface, and not require the user to have knowledge of this convention when it creates this additional entry for them using that rule.

But for the time being, those of us that see that an existing entry already exists but which isn't the right person, that we can just explictly say "Create name (#)" to have it do something to keep the integrity intact of having proper content associated with an individual.

I would help if users entering credits (actors) would include an image and some sort of biographical data. There are way too many credits that contain only the actor's name.

  • It would help...

Just found two entries for Jack Smight that showed up when trying to add them.

[https://www.filmo.gs/credit/216068-jack-smight]
[https://www.filmo.gs/credit/216069-jack-smight]

From what it sppears should be merged together as I think they are the same person when looking up the reference on IMDB when looking at it here.

[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0806915/]

Did you do updates to have it show the newer "Name (#)" entries, that perhaps might also be exposing earlier duplicate entries that might have been created for the same actor that might have one being hidden when adding newer ones. The numbers here are one digit apart, which might imply that someone might have created the extra entry by accident earlier when trying to add the same film and the way they submitted a film entry.

These should probably be merged together. I'll leave them alone and just add my new reference to the 216069 entry.

The numbers here are one digit apart, which might imply that someone might have created the extra entry by accident earlier when trying to add the same film and the way they submitted a film entry.

that one should be merged. it was from a previous bug. when a new person was created for two different roles the system would create two new entries. same happened with companies.

Speaking of Michael Douglas, at least Hollywood tries to help keep the number of actors/actresses with the same names to a minimum. Though I noted above we had multiple Michael Douglases, it's a bit funny to note that Michael Keaton might have been another Michael Douglas if Hollwood hadn't stepped in! ;)

[https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/a2ka6o/til_that_due_to_the_screen_actors_guild_not/]

But for the time being, those of us that see that an existing entry already exists but which isn't the right person, that we can just explictly say "Create name (#)" to have it do something to keep the integrity intact of having proper content associated with an individual.

There must be a better solution than suggested above. That is so gross looking.

I would suggest that users create complete CREDIT pages first - images of the person and short bio. It might help eliminate some confusion.

This bug should now be fixed. So if you click Create New credit rather than selecting an (identically named) credit from the drop down a new credit with that same name will be created.

Thanks for your feedback and patience everyone. Do let us know if you have any more problems.

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