Dibb-s
3 weeks ago
I don't think porn should be on Filmogs, and i'm sure most people would agree.
I realise there's always going to be films which are borderline. Films in the 'Romance' and 'Erotica' genres particularly. Some 'Horror' films could probably be considered pornographic too.
I noticed this one...
https://www.filmo.gs/release/87229-F-Force
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4308048/?ref_=ttkw_kw_tt
I know it's a cartoon, and I don't really know much about Anime, but this seems like porn to me
oteis
3 weeks ago
It's already in the guidelines that Porn is excluded. My guess is that EK_ (who added that movie) is aware of that guideline...

https://www.filmo.gs/wiki/Help-Add-Release
"See the exclusions list below for items not suitable for the database:

Pornography/Adult Material
Home Videos
Non-Physical Downloaded Digital Video Files (such as MP4, AVI)"
EK_
3 weeks ago
I am so happy that a guy whose profile picture shows himself stoned to the bone has stepped up to be Filmogs Moral Police!

(Darn! I can't add Jeff Styker's Powertool, 2 on 1 #12, or No Rest For The Ass...)

Please accept my most sincere apologies for adding a cartoon to a database that was found in another mainstream database. Elves and other imaginary creatures "doing it" is highly disturbing.

To prevent further outrage, Officer Dibb-s, please define what you consider "pornography." I will do my best to placate.
Dibb-s
2 weeks ago
I'm sorry if you felt I was attacking you EK, I certainly didn't intend to.
I know you were being sarcastic, but in any case, i'm far from the 'moral police'.
I've uploaded a few which could be considered pornographic:
'Salo', which it seems has already been removed.
'Tokyo Erotica', https://www.filmo.gs/film/61038-Tokyo-X-Erotica , which I'm happy to take down. It's a borderline one. I guess I didn't consider it porn because I got it as an art-house ex-rental..
and 'Love - Zero = Infinity', https://www.filmo.gs/film/57229-Iyarashii-Hitozuma-Nureru , which after watching just seemed like a vampire movie with sex scenes, and again I bought it as an art-house ex-rental. But it could definitely be considered pornographic so feel free to remove it.

The only reason I uploaded the imdb link for 'F-Force' is because there was no film page attached. Also imdb described it as 'hardcore' and 'adult'.
I checked a few other web pages, this one described it as pornography - http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4034
This one called it 'Adult Hentai / Erotic Fantasy' - http://www.animecornerstore.com/fforce.html
Hentai - https://myanimelist.net/anime/2872/Asgaldh__The_Distortion_Testament
Hentai is anime porn right? I don't know much about anime and I haven't seen this film so I guess I can't make a judgement, but it really seems like porn to me.
Dibb-s
2 weeks ago
These ones too:
'Shame of the Jungle' - https://www.filmo.gs/film/62997-Tarzoon-La-Honte-de-la-Jungle , It's an 'Adult' cartoon, i'd call it a comedy though
'The Book of Revelation' - https://www.filmo.gs/film/44136-The-Book-Of-Revelation , could be considered Porn I suppose, but Drama or Horror are probably more apt.
Films by Bruce La Bruce - https://www.filmo.gs/credit/61066-Bruce-La-Bruce , potentially Porn
EK_
2 weeks ago
Curious as to why you think you should remove ANY of the listed titles? It is not as if one can VIEW video content on filmogs. Also wondering if and why you think it is bad or inappropriate to simply LIST a physical home video release.
Dibb-s
2 weeks ago
As per the guidelines, Porn shouldn't be included on Filmogs, so yes, I do think it's inappropriate to be listed in this space. That doesn't mean it's necessarily 'bad' or 'wrong' however.
This debate was inevitable, and I was simply posting some examples of borderline films so maybe we can establish some sort of consensus on where the line should be drawn.
I'm curious as to whether you think Porn should be included? And if not, whether you think Hentai is porn? I'm sure you could make a case that it isn't.
I for one think that it is.
EK_
2 weeks ago
What is "pornograhpy"?

Seriously.

- please note: not advocating anything that involves minors, or other illegal activities such as non consensual activities, necrophilia, cannibalism and the like.
EK_
2 weeks ago
No video content is shared on this site.

If an image of the actual release includes nudity, etc. - that could easily be replaced with a box that reads "Image censored by filmogs."
EK_
2 weeks ago
It is quite an interesting thought, though. WHO exactly defines objectionable materials in an international forum.

Swastikas are a no-no in Germany, for example.
EK_
2 weeks ago
I am thinking that filmogs would be in a possible legal gray area if and when a marketplace opens up - if users wanted to use this space to peddle adult entertainment, racial or 'hate' oriented materials and so forth.

Also attempting to 'define' pornography and was about to write - it must be a 'visual' medium, but that is not the case (see sex telephone lines; text chat; etc.). I've heard the saying "I don't know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it." What a cop out.

Interesting that Discogs seems to allow any and all audio recordings - regardless of the content. Do they monitor/prohibit certain titles for sale on the marketplace?

- please note: not advocating for adult entertainment titles (or against). I am a fan of animation of all types and the majority of the released I've indexed are animated titles.
Dibb-s
2 weeks ago
Offensive symbols is probably a different topic.
Nudity on covers is something I hadn't really thought about, but I agree that it's an easy fix.
Also I agree there's certainly more objectionable content than out there, particularly in the horror genre.
Pornography, is broadly just 'sexual' media. But it's also a specific. Genre of film, and one which has been agreed to be omitted from filmogs What is considered pornography is of course subjective and going to be culturally variable. A lot of 'Erotic' films may be considered porn depending on the individual and the cultural context.
But I think there is a stylistic difference between 'Porn' and 'Erotica' or other types of films. It's hard to articulate without having a film-studies degree.
I'm using a public computer right now so I'm not about to look up any definitions, but I believe 'Hentai' is the name for 'Anime' porn and should probably be ruled out.

I am curious about whether porn films such as "Debbie Does Dallas" which have a cult-film or 'classic' status should be considered?
Dibb-s
2 weeks ago
We need to distinguish 'Porn' from 'Erotica'.
While the intent behind the production of these genres may be the same, and not too different from 'Romance' either, their are certainly stylistic differences and difference in production also.

Hopefully some others can weigh in on this?
EK_
2 weeks ago
See, THAT'S the problem. Lots of semantics - words that by themselves push some individuals' buttons and immediately cause them to look or consider further.

I still am having a difficult time understanding WHY the push back of a simple listing of a movie - or even a whole 'genre' of anime. I've always thought information should not be censored - no matter how 'noble' the reason (ie protecting the children, etc.) - because it is too heavy handed. It comes down to personal choice and responsibility. If a legal form of media or entertainment is not your thing, don't view. If you have a child, it is your responsibility to raise them as you see fit. Mega cop out saying "We can't monitor them 24/7", etc. Sorry, shouldn't of had kids if you can't handle your responsibilities. What gall to expect others to be limited because of that crap.
nik
2 weeks ago
Hi folks. Good debate here! We put that guideline in at the start because we just didn't feel like dealing with it, and felt that perhaps we'd get overrun with pornography. Of course there is bound to be a grey area here. I don't think we really want to get into trying to define things. I personally have no objection to any of the examples posted being in the database, nor at some point allowing pornography, as long as we can keep our focus and not get diluted with a million skin flicks.
EK_
2 weeks ago
"But I think there is a stylistic difference between 'Porn' and 'Erotica' or other types of films. It's hard to articulate without having a film-studies degree."

Schools lie. Film-studies degree?! Watch a movie then write a critique using controlled vocabulary agreed upon by your 'peers' that reads like a dissertation by a candidate for a philosophy degree. Do people get PAID for that?!
alexl
2 weeks ago
The Book Of Revelation - definitely not porn, erotic to an extent, a very boring film as well.

Bruce La Bruce films - borderline, but probably fall more into the exploitation or art house categories.

The Japanese Pinku films - softcore at best, but where do you draw the line? Is a film like Women In Love not allowed which is sort of the British equivalent?

Hentai - borderline. I've got one to add Legend of the Overfiend, but not I'm not sure if it is a series or film.

Films like Romance, Baise Moi etc are legit. I can't imagine anybody being turned on by them.

If think they key differences is the intent, films like Fuck for dollars are blatant pornography, films like say Nymphomania are designed to convey some sort of message. The line gets blurred at arty porn like Latex.
EK_
2 weeks ago
Legend of the Overfiend - there was the movie based on the OVA - PLUS three follow-up series.

- I'm not going to argue "intent" - but how can one determine that?! Seems WAY presumptuous to claim to know what is in another person's heart. But even 'good' intent does not make an action 'right'.

The line is crossed when consent is not (or cannot be given). Minors, actual rape, beastiality, torture without consent, real necrophilia or even prisoners (forced consent).

Those jihad videos with an individual getting his throat slashed by a creep reading scripture is way more 'pornographic' than a mass of humanity humping.
EK_
2 weeks ago
I do want to make it perfectly clear that in no way, shape, or form am I advocating for Adult Entertainment Industry. I don't have to do that. There are others way more eloquent than I for that.

I am 100% for free speech and free expression, no matter how offensive or obscene a topic is.

Again, it comes down to CONSENT.
quoth09
2 weeks ago
Dibb-s mentioned that Salo was removed, however I noticed Salo was added back today by alexl.

Anyone have any idea why was this removed in the first place? I am looking for a definitive answer by someone that runs the site on this (nik?), not an opinion of a submitter here as to why they 'think' it was removed to be clear. It is definitely NOT porn in any way, shape, or form.

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alexl: Legend Of The Overfiend (aka Urotsukidōji) is 5 OVA series before the reboot, so it would definitely be a series.

Bruce La Bruce films are not porn. They may contain erotic elements, but they are not porn by the normal definition of the word. Same goes for The Book Of Revelation. Both of these things fall on if you think the film A Serbian Film is porn, which it's not by any means. All of them are dramas and other genre. Adult animation like the Tarzan one above is exactly what it is: adult animation; that doesn't make it porn, and it's most definitely not hentai either.

Hentai is heavily debatable, and always is. I personally don't consider it porn. A good example of this is the anime Kite (Akite). There are 3 different cuts, with more and more gratuitous and violent content, but for some reason a lot of people that would consider such content as being hentai, even though it fully contains hentai-esque content, don't have a problem with it or label it as such, which may possibly be due to the other content in the feature, or quite possibly their own perceived view. Another good example of this is another by the same director of Kite, Mezzo Forte.
Same goes with Japanese Pinku films. Non-porn films can contain eroticism and (even sometimes) pornographic elements/content/scenes and not be porn.

nik brings up a good point: I don't think we really want to get into trying to define things.
This whole thing stems upon a discussion / argument that went on over at Discogs a few years ago in regards to fascist music. It was ruled that the items wouldn't be allowed to be sold there, but that the entries would be allowed to stay. My personal argument was in regards to art in general, and who is who to be able to say that things should be censored?
Either way, you can go read it yourself, but due to said related items bordering on being against certain groups of people, those were the ones gunning for it's removal, but who here would be gunning for the removal of the things above since they are nothing more than film / art, and not directly attacking anyone? Only one answer: moral police, which have no place in film or art at all, as it does nothing but restrict it. I understand wanting to keep porn at bay at the moment, but anything else, no.
The main difference between film / porn / art and music is that the intention of said music is clear because there are spoken words. Film and art is left open to interpretation the majority of the time, even when some things are obvious.

Final note and question to think about: what kind of site is being run here? A filmography site that lists everything as it is, or kiddieFilmogs where even non-porn things are censored due to someone's subjective viewpoint that may or may not be in alignment with anyone else?
mirva
2 weeks ago
Dibb-s mentioned that Salo was removed, however I noticed Salo was added back today by alexl.
It was never removed. If you look at the history, you can see that Dibb-s created the entry 8 months ago.
https://www.filmo.gs/film/46584-Salo-o-le-120-giornate-di-Sodoma

It is definitely NOT porn in any way, shape, or form.
Agreed.
quoth09
2 weeks ago
I only stated such due to this comment by Dibb-s:

"I've uploaded a few which could be considered pornographic:
'Salo', which it seems has already been removed."

Confusing, but ah well, thank you.
briggsy23
2 weeks ago
Why not have a separate Adult section of the database, similar to video rental stores?
mirva
2 weeks ago
My only concern is that there are types of porn that are illegal/criminal in most of the world. The laws are not up to a subjective viewpoint, and you will end up in prison for owning such content.

This is an open database in the internet accessible to everyone. How are we going to monitor the content that is being submitted, especially if no full details are enclosed, that the porn submitted follows all the laws and regulations?

I have no problem with borderline cases, and they can be always discussed, but I would be very careful of allowing pure porn here.
mirva
2 weeks ago
To clarify: with "borderline cases" I mean films/shows that have some pornographic elements, not content that would be somehow borderline legal/illegal...
EK_
2 weeks ago
There is no content being uploaded - besides, perhaps a cover image. Just a LIST of titles. How can someone get busted for that?
EK_
2 weeks ago
And filmgos should be indexing commercially available titles. Not some "not on label" (if I may borrow a Discogs term) home video. Hardcore illegal footage is not sold commercially. Problem averted!
EK_
2 weeks ago
PLUS - no digital downloads are to be indexed.
mirva
2 weeks ago
There is no content being uploaded - besides, perhaps a cover image. Just a LIST of titles. How can someone get busted for that?
You think that a cover image of a porn film depicting an underage person is gonna be ok from a legal point of view, and not gonna get Filmogs/Discogs in any kind of trouble? Especially when paired with a marketplace?

Unfortunately, for various reasons, the industry has its dark side, and a vast gray area.

And filmgos should be indexing commercially available titles. Not some "not on label" (if I may borrow a Discogs term) home video.
The age limits and laws vary by country, how is that going to work out? Something that is legal in one country might not be in another.

Also how are you going to control that? Considering what kind of stuff gets submitted, and goes unnoticed in Discogs, just saying "don't do it" is not gonna stop people from doing it. This place would need a task force just specifically for porn.

PLUS - no digital downloads are to be indexed.
Says who? The other databases allow digital downloads.

Anyway - what I'm trying to say is that it's going to be hard to control, and monitor. It would also more than likely attract spammers to the database. IMVHO it's just not worth it, especially considering what kind of trouble it can lead to.
sound.and.vision
2 weeks ago
Mirva i think we should focus our efforts on physical releases before bloating out the database with questionable digital content.

Regarding pornographic content I think we are all more than capable of using a bit of common sense on what is meant to be added to the database at this moment in time.
quoth09
2 weeks ago
I can't see to find any kind of editing tools on forum posts for quotes or whatever, so I guess I will just copy and paste. This forum is very primitive compared to the Discogs layout. Anyway.

briggsy23: "Why not have a separate Adult section of the database, similar to video rental stores?"

Good idea.


mirva: "My only concern is that there are types of porn that are illegal/criminal in most of the world. The laws are not up to a subjective viewpoint, and you will end up in prison for owning such content.

This is an open database in the internet accessible to everyone. How are we going to monitor the content that is being submitted, especially if no full details are enclosed, that the porn submitted follows all the laws and regulations?"

The rest of your comments are pretty easily able to be answered by this:
Nazi music and propaganda is illegal in Geramany, yet Discogs has plenty of that and said entries are viewable in Germany. It's not the websites responsibility to worry about such as long as all content is consensual and actors over 18. Stick to the major releasing labels and no issues.

Overall I just don't care about the porn thing personally in regards to if it's allowed here or not. I am more concerned with people labeling art and films as porn based on their own subjective opinions or insights.

mirva: "The other databases allow digital downloads."
You start doing that with porn, and you are welcoming the flood gates on ridiculous amounts of entries.
mirva
2 weeks ago
I think we should focus our efforts on physical releases before bloating out the database with questionable digital content.
I'm not sure what you mean? I just said that the other databases allow digital downloads. The film industry is no different from music or books - digital releases exist. That's a fact. Whether you accept their existence or not is your personal opinion.
mirva
2 weeks ago
Nazi music and propaganda is illegal in Germany, yet Discogs has plenty of that and said entries are viewable in Germany.
But that's just Germany, just one country.

You start doing that with porn, and you are welcoming the flood gates on ridiculous amounts of entries.
Exactly - that's part of my point.
quoth09
2 weeks ago
"But that's just Germany, just one country."

Right, but I mean that is just one example. All in all I am sure other films have been banned in other countries, not just Germany. Not really a debate, but more of a point to bring up. Big difference between ownership and possible promotion of something, vs simply cataloging it with imagery. Besides with the whole porn thing, if anyone has any doubts about any of this stuff being ok on here as far as releases being cataloged with their covers, there are tons of sites on the net where all they sell is releases, and those sites have far more information than what would ever be listed here.
mirva
2 weeks ago
All in all I am sure other films have been banned in other countries, not just Germany.
Of course, there are probably a lot of one-off cases. My home country's classification board used to ban movies too, luckily not so much anymore. I know some countries have really strict classification boards, but this is still different from full genres of film being illegal.

Just an overview of the laws/rules in some countries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_by_region

Also how would the marketplace deal with all this, and the age limits related to sale/purchase?

And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against porn when it's done according to laws and regulations, and with the consent of everyone involved. I just don't think including it in the database is worth all the hassle.

And I think we should focus our efforts on regular releases before bloating out the database with questionable porn content. ;-)
quoth09
2 weeks ago
"Also how would the marketplace deal with all this, and the age limits related to sale/purchase?"

Not allow sales on those items. Done, lol.

"And I think we should focus our efforts on regular releases before bloating out the database with questionable porn content. ;-)"

I agree. Like I said, I could care less about it either way. It will eventually happen anyway, but until then there is a lot more non-porn content that belongs here first.
EK_
1 week ago
How sad this discussion has become. I'm done.
mirva
1 week ago
What here is "sad"? People disagreeing with you? That reminds me of someone... (~_^)
quoth09
1 week ago
Yes, please explain EK_.

I personally agree with all your posts above, so who exactly are you saying that too, or rather what aspect about this discussion is "sad"?
EK_
1 week ago
Arguing about a non existent marketplace and how to police it is sad.
EK_
1 week ago
This was originally about simply listing a legit home video title. Not about underground, illegal material. Home Video // Not on Label items should not be entered.

Being offended by certain legal home video content is a personal issue.

This site simply LISTS legitimate home video releases. No video content is shared.

No one has given what THEIR personal definition of what THEY think "Pornography" is. I have. So what?

And, really, why would I care if someone has a different view than I? I get offended when people don't really have their own views and just do everything they are told.
EK_
1 week ago
Let's check wikipedia or ask siri what the answer is...
BarryWallace
1 week ago
I think porn should be allowed on the site but not posted in the main page. And it would need to be a proper release.
mirva
1 week ago
Arguing about a non existent marketplace and how to police it is sad.
There's nothing sad about it, it's one of the most requested features on basically all of the new Ogs sites. Gearogs already has a beta version. It's not something we can ignore. Where do you think Discogs gets part of its income?

This was originally about simply listing a legit home video title. Not about underground, illegal material.
I wish the topic was as simple. :)
This is also a discussion that needs to happen. It would've happened sooner or later.

You do realize that a porn home video title that is legit in one country might not be that in every country? You do realize that in some countries it might be illegal to even look at the cover of that legit home video title just because it's considered porn?

I'm sorry if I have a lot of questions, but I just want to be sure that before we open the flood gates that we have taken into account every aspect of the issue, because I want this place to keep on going.

No one has given what THEIR personal definition of what THEY think "Pornography" is. I have. So what?
This discussion is not about you, your opinions, or my opinions. None of us have not made the adult entertainment business complicated, and controversial. If you are really capable of looking at the issue objectively, you realize it, and are able to take into account that not every country or everyone is as open-minded about porn, or sex in general.

I have nothing against that home video title of yours, it can stay, at least for now. We are just discussing. Surely you have non-pornographic home video titles in your massive collection that you can submit meanwhile?
EK_
1 week ago
If this discussion is not about personal feelings about topics - what is the point?

You seem to be quite concerned about ... something - but what exactly is it?

Are you worried that a revenue stream might be in jeopardy for a company that you may or may not have a personal stake in?

Are you worried that someone, somewhere might be offended by a LISTING of a title they find to be 'pornographic'?

Or are you concerned that in some unidentified country where it is illegal to simply look at say, boobs in a 1"x2" cover shot - some poor schmuck will have unlimited internet access there, and while he is viewing that listing and image, the authorities will bust in and arrest him?

Do you want to protect the world?

Thanks for the vigilance, but far better, smarter, and holier persons (and some far worse) than you or I have been trying that forever.

The term "pornography" is so super charged with emotion, any attempts to objectively define it fail. It can only be defined within your own personal context. THIS IS WHY I ask YOU to define it. Anything you put forth until then... your actions are suspect.
EK_
1 week ago
"Surely you have non-pornographic home video titles in your massive collection that you can submit meanwhile?"

Yes! I want to share my massiveness with all of you.
BarryWallace
1 week ago
Mirva made me think of something.

You are right in some country Porn is banned, which could jeopardize Filmogs accessibility in these country.

By offering the porn option, once selected it wouldn't appear on the main page furthermore it would already be blocked in these selected countries.

Making what I am talking about takes time, and programming.

I suggest they work on that.

But also alexl makes a good point some erotic directors are considered artist Bruce La Bruce, Russ Meyers, John Watters, and many others. What do we do about them.

Some Porn films are considered groundbreaking like Deep Throat... It's hard to have a site about film and ignore this title.

In the meantime I agree that the cartoon EK_ added shouldn't be removed, one for the effort he putted in it, and since we are mostly a bunch of guys here we don't care.
quoth09
1 week ago
EK_: "Being offended by certain legal home video content is a personal issue."

Here here.

"Not on Label items should not be entered." - that would be a great solution, however the only debate on that one is if someone has a self financed film; a lot of directors don't have the budget or a distribution deal through a legitimate company, they just kind of put stuff out, unless what you are talking about would not be referencing something like Not On Label Artist Self-released? I'm sure someone would find some kind of loophole around that at some point and exploit it either way, but that's a long way off I suppose in some aspects.

I'm not sure what the answer is to the rest of any of this, but all I know is that there is a lot more non-porn material that is out there that should be done first. Worry about porn later.

Only suggestion I have regarding it, is maybe make someone have an account or have a warning in order to view the 'adult' section / releases? That's usually the way other sites already are, and those same sites are already able to be viewed in other countries where porn is illegal. Besides, even if they are, it's easy to get around any of that stuff with a proxy or vpn. None of that stuff has ever really kept anyone from anything. Same goes with YouTube and it's county restrictions on certain videos due to licensing and copyright.
I don't run this site though, I am sure they will come up with some solution.
Dibb-s
1 week ago
Have we changed 'porn' to 'adult'? Is that a broader category or something?
So in this hypothetical 'adult' section of filmogs, away from the main page, is 'hentai' included? the consensus seems to be that hentai is not porn, and should be allowed to stay on here for the time being.
So then, if an 'adult' section were to be developed, would hentai still be on the main page or would it move to the porn/adult section? Would 'pinku' films be in the adult section? Would classic porn films like Deep Throat and Debbie Does Dallas be porn/adult films?
Point is, even if we do get an 'adult' section, we've got exactly the same problem where we need to define what is and what isn't.

I'm not sure who exactly is "offended"? It sounds like everyone is fine with 'adult' films being listed, but have a few legitimate concerns. My main concern is that this page would turn into a geek wank-bank rather than a legitimate page for film fans and collectors.

EK you keep challenging people to define porn, but admit any attempts to objectively define it fail, so what then?
EK_
1 week ago
What exactly to you think "geeks" are going to "wank" to? A cover shot? Text description of format details.?

I keep repeating this - no video content is shared.

The definition topic. If you don't understand, then you don't understand. People hide behind the flawed "Miller Test" - for example - but never get to the core of why the are so horrified or offended by adult entertainment. Until there are some legit concerns - and please do not say "maybe in the future there with be a marketplace." This whole thing DIDN'T START OUT AS A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT FOR ISSUE A POSSIBLE FUTURE MARKETPLACE MIGHT FACE. It started because Dibb-s did not like a release I indexed. Some agreed. But ALL DANCED AROUND THE ISSUE AS TO WHY SAID ENTRY WAS SO HORRIBLE. If you can give me some deep felt reason why indexing a release is terrible or offensive, maybe I wouldn't have dug my heels in so deeply. Everyone seems afraid to say it. What is the problem any one of you have with what you call (but are afraid to publicly define - what it means to you) PORNOGRAPHY?
EK_
1 week ago
Plus, Dibbs, your own statement:

Point is, even if we do get an 'adult' section, we've got exactly the same problem where we need to define what is and what isn't.

HOW CAN "we define what is or what isn't" WHEN EVERYONE IS AFRAID TO SAY WHAT THEIR PERSONAL DEFINITION IS?
BarryWallace
1 week ago
The damage is done I've just wanked to the cover.
mirva
1 week ago
This escalated fast... lol. First, to address some fake information presented above:

As I already said earlier, I have nothing against porn. I am not here to save the world either, I have no such powers. I wish I could change the world though, but this is not the place for that.

My only concern here has been Filmogs, nothing more (which I thought was obvious—apologies if I assumed too much). I want this website to thrive, and be as international as Discogs is. I want to see films/film releases from all over the world, and find new interesting ones that I haven't seen yet. Might sound idealistic, but hey, I can always dream. ;-)

I don't want...
...the access to Filmogs to be limited anywhere.
...to see spam (Discogs suffers from it, and the porn industry is notorious for it).
...to see the database suddenly overtaken by porn (it would be different if we had tons of other content already).
...to see illegal material in the database (policing is difficult).
...Filmogs to get in trouble for some asshole submitting illegal material (policing is difficult).
...Filmogs to become the target for some close-minded lunatics (they exist whether you like it or not).

In all, I just want to be sure that Filmogs has all bases covered before actually accepting porn to the database (if they were considering that).

But also alexl makes a good point some erotic directors are considered artist Bruce La Bruce, Russ Meyers, John Watters, and many others. What do we do about them.
It's hard to draw lines between certain genres, so I don't think we should be too strict about the whole thing. Borderline cases will always exist. And IMVHO exceptions can be made, the use of common sense shouldn't be forbidden. For example, if a porn movie is considered an important part of film history, it could be included in the database.
EK_
1 week ago
Adult Entertainment is the correct terminology. "Porn" is a trigger word with no definition.

By the way, his name is John Waters, not Watters - and I would shudder to think anyone believes his films to be "erotic."
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